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:For now, no disambiguation is needed. Only include the definite article if it's part of a title. [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 07:14, 29 November 2007 (CST) | :For now, no disambiguation is needed. Only include the definite article if it's part of a title. [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 07:14, 29 November 2007 (CST) | ||
::I would have voted for [[The Blues]]. I always thought the article *was* part of the title. I don't recall ever having heard anyone say they played, listened to or sang "blues". They always say "The Blues". But what do I know? [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 15:14, 29 November 2007 (CST) | ::I would have voted for [[The Blues]]. I always thought the article *was* part of the title. I don't recall ever having heard anyone say they played, listened to or sang "blues". They always say "The Blues". But what do I know? [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 15:14, 29 November 2007 (CST) | ||
:You got me thinking, a rare achievement. I never felt more like singing the blues. Certainly the condition has the definite article. Bessie's got the blues today. It's the blues (Howlin' Wolf's comment after being insulted on Juke Box Jury). But: Muddy was a blues singer. ...OK, adjective. He likes jazz and blues. She specialises mainly in blues. What would you type in? If you wanted the Eiffel Tower, would you type 'The...'? - [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 15:51, 29 November 2007 (CST) | |||
::Okay, yeah, but "Man, I love blues"?? You sound like you don' do no such a thing. "Man, I love the blues!" Lady Sings the Blues--was that Lady ''had'' the blues, or lady ''sang'' the blues? "Man, I love blues music". Sure you do, you wannabe! Just took a quick look at some other articles--they can't get away from using "the blues" in the discourse, even when speaking of "blues music". "Blues musicians", "blues artists", but "the blues". Ah, me. [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 17:45, 29 November 2007 (CST) | |||
:And, yes, I've got those demonstrative pronoun blues... [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 10:44, 30 November 2007 (CST) | |||
:How 'bout "Worried Man Blues,", from which, I think, The Kingston Trio came up with their lively hit, "Worried Man"? As the 'Merkin in this discussion (and one who *detests* the Blues), I would say that it's one of those damn things where *sometimes* it needs the "the" and sometimes it doesn't. We definitely say, for instance, that so-and-so is a "Blues singer", *not* "Bill Smith is a well-known The Blues singer." But, of course, I would admit that that would be akin to saying, "I saw it in the ''The New York Times''". So I think we might as well flip a coin as to what to call the article. I think that personally I would go 51% for '''Blues''' but still 49% of me would argue for '''The Blues''' -- mebbe we can find a Canadian Blues singer to make an authoritative choice for us.... | |||
::- That was Hayford, by the way. Don't they have robots with their tiny little fonts to clear up the dropped signatures around here? [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 16:28, 30 November 2007 (CST) | |||
:Someone agrees with me: at history of [[Irish Land League]] - [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 12:08, 30 November 2007 (CST) | |||
::Oh, that's a scream--we've really gotta get someone to write the ''Demonstrative Pronoun Blues''! I think you're right; it depends on usage and context. Something like that. Anyway, the opening sentence of this article works for me, so perhaps it doesn't matter so much where it lives? I don't care for the blues, myself--just too d*d depressing and really gives...er...give...er... me "the blues". [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 14:01, 30 November 2007 (CST) | |||
:::I think things are fine as they are, particularly since the opening sentence tells us what is going on. I've just created a redirect, [[The Blues]], which takes the rest of the angst out of the "problem", so I think we can no move on to more substantial issues, such as [[greenies]] (which baseball players ingest), Whites, Blacks, oranges (the eatin' kind), and other contentious colo(u)rs.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 14:28, 30 November 2007 (CST) |
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Should this live at Blues (music) or The Blues? --Robert W King 00:40, 29 November 2007 (CST)
- For now, no disambiguation is needed. Only include the definite article if it's part of a title. Ro Thorpe 07:14, 29 November 2007 (CST)
- I would have voted for The Blues. I always thought the article *was* part of the title. I don't recall ever having heard anyone say they played, listened to or sang "blues". They always say "The Blues". But what do I know? Aleta Curry 15:14, 29 November 2007 (CST)
- You got me thinking, a rare achievement. I never felt more like singing the blues. Certainly the condition has the definite article. Bessie's got the blues today. It's the blues (Howlin' Wolf's comment after being insulted on Juke Box Jury). But: Muddy was a blues singer. ...OK, adjective. He likes jazz and blues. She specialises mainly in blues. What would you type in? If you wanted the Eiffel Tower, would you type 'The...'? - Ro Thorpe 15:51, 29 November 2007 (CST)
- Okay, yeah, but "Man, I love blues"?? You sound like you don' do no such a thing. "Man, I love the blues!" Lady Sings the Blues--was that Lady had the blues, or lady sang the blues? "Man, I love blues music". Sure you do, you wannabe! Just took a quick look at some other articles--they can't get away from using "the blues" in the discourse, even when speaking of "blues music". "Blues musicians", "blues artists", but "the blues". Ah, me. Aleta Curry 17:45, 29 November 2007 (CST)
- And, yes, I've got those demonstrative pronoun blues... Ro Thorpe 10:44, 30 November 2007 (CST)
- How 'bout "Worried Man Blues,", from which, I think, The Kingston Trio came up with their lively hit, "Worried Man"? As the 'Merkin in this discussion (and one who *detests* the Blues), I would say that it's one of those damn things where *sometimes* it needs the "the" and sometimes it doesn't. We definitely say, for instance, that so-and-so is a "Blues singer", *not* "Bill Smith is a well-known The Blues singer." But, of course, I would admit that that would be akin to saying, "I saw it in the The New York Times". So I think we might as well flip a coin as to what to call the article. I think that personally I would go 51% for Blues but still 49% of me would argue for The Blues -- mebbe we can find a Canadian Blues singer to make an authoritative choice for us....
- - That was Hayford, by the way. Don't they have robots with their tiny little fonts to clear up the dropped signatures around here? Ro Thorpe 16:28, 30 November 2007 (CST)
- Someone agrees with me: at history of Irish Land League - Ro Thorpe 12:08, 30 November 2007 (CST)
- Oh, that's a scream--we've really gotta get someone to write the Demonstrative Pronoun Blues! I think you're right; it depends on usage and context. Something like that. Anyway, the opening sentence of this article works for me, so perhaps it doesn't matter so much where it lives? I don't care for the blues, myself--just too d*d depressing and really gives...er...give...er... me "the blues". Aleta Curry 14:01, 30 November 2007 (CST)
- I think things are fine as they are, particularly since the opening sentence tells us what is going on. I've just created a redirect, The Blues, which takes the rest of the angst out of the "problem", so I think we can no move on to more substantial issues, such as greenies (which baseball players ingest), Whites, Blacks, oranges (the eatin' kind), and other contentious colo(u)rs.... Hayford Peirce 14:28, 30 November 2007 (CST)
- Oh, that's a scream--we've really gotta get someone to write the Demonstrative Pronoun Blues! I think you're right; it depends on usage and context. Something like that. Anyway, the opening sentence of this article works for me, so perhaps it doesn't matter so much where it lives? I don't care for the blues, myself--just too d*d depressing and really gives...er...give...er... me "the blues". Aleta Curry 14:01, 30 November 2007 (CST)