Talk:Poutine

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 Definition:  A Quebec dish of fresh cheese curds, strips of deep fried potatoes, and gravy—from the Quebec French word for "mess". [d] [e]
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Is "sacrée poutine" a French Canadian word (phrase) -- I don't find the word "poutine" in any of my 3 French dictionaries, including my 2-volume Larousse? Hayford Peirce 10:16, 19 November 2007 (CST)

Yes, as in the French quote, and its translation, in the article, Anglophone Canadians are routinely informed poutime=="mess". Cheers! George Swan 22:04, 23 March 2008 (CDT)

Potato fragments

Isn't poutine strictly served with french fries? --Robert W King 12:45, 19 November 2007 (CST)

I disagree...

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the use of "deep fried potatoes" is vague and misleading: it is made with fries, pure and simple

I disagree. "French fries" is a local idiom -- as the "Freedom Fries" incident makes clear. In England one doesn't order "Fish and french fries" -- one orders "Fish and Chips". In England a "chip" is (was?) what Americans call a french fry. What Americans call a "potato chip" is a "potato crisp".

I suggest it is better for the article to be written so it can be understood by those who are not native speakers of English, or who come from a section of the anglosphere where "french fry" is not the conventional term.

So I reverted it.

Cheers! George Swan 16:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi George, I hesitate to argue with you, since you attended the U. of Waterloo, in Canada, and I haven't spent much time in Canada. But my own impression, gathered from *long* discussions (arguments) at both WP and CZ in the articles about "french fries" vs. "chips", was that the *North American* term, not just USA, was "french fries." "Chips" in England, sure, but not in Canada. Can you give some citations for your statement? For instance, I just clicked on Harvey's which is the second largest fast food franchise in Canada and *their* menu says "French fries." Check for yourself at http://www.harveys.ca/eng/index.php Bon appetit! Hayford Peirce 16:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
The official McDonalds site for Canada calls them "French fries" -- see http://www.mcdonalds.ca/NutritionCalculator/index_en.html, where you can get the calory info for their "poutine" -- the picture of which, sure looks like french fries, although some websites, blogs, I guess, have said that the fries Mcdonalds uses for poutine are *slightly* larger than their regular ones.... Hayford Peirce 17:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Our own article on French fries says in the lede: "French fries, or french-fried potatoes, or simply fries, are generally thin sticks of potato that have been deep-fried. They are similar to the chips eaten in the United Kingdom, Ireland, and the Commonwealth (excluding Canada)." So I think that unless you come up with some pretty good citations to the contrary that the article's usage of "french fries" should be restored. Hayford Peirce 18:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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