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Welcome to the Citizendium! We hope you will contribute boldly and well. Here are pointers for a quick start. You'll probably want to know how to get started as an author. Just look at CZ:Getting Started for other helpful "startup" links, and CZ:Home for the top menu of community pages. Be sure to stay abreast of events via the Citizendium-L (broadcast) mailing list (do join!) and the blog. Please also join the workgroup mailing list(s) that concern your particular interests. You can test out editing in the sandbox if you'd like. If you need help to get going, the forums is one option. That's also where we discuss policy and proposals. You can ask any constable for help, too. Me, for instance! Just put a note on their "talk" page. Again, welcome and have fun! Ruth Ifcher 02:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to the computers group!

Trust-related issues are definitely of high priority. I definitely would appreciate any comments on Domain Name System security, and there's just a start on messaging application protocols. There's also something of a start on the broadest level of information security.

Of course, original contributions are very welcome as well. Let me know how I can help. Howard C. Berkowitz 03:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Created a personal sandbox for you

I have taken the liberty of creating a personal sandbox page for you. To access your sandbox, just click on the link labeled My sandbox in the upper, left-hand corner of your User page. Once you get there, you can click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the page and you can:

  • Practice writing articles in the Wiki markup language.
  • If you already know the Wiki markup language, you can draft any articles you want to write and keep changing them until you are completely satisfied with them ... and then you can create a new article by cutting and pasting the sandbox article into the new one.
  • You can invite other Citizens to visit your sandbox, review a prospective article that you wrote in sandbox, and ask for their comments/critique before you proceed to cut and paste it into a new article.

Don't know what the Wiki markup language is? Click ==>CZ:How to edit an article    Another excellent way to learn the Wiki markup coding is to click on the "Edit" tab at the top of any article and see how the markup coding was used there.

Enjoy! Milton Beychok 04:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Using Related Articles

While the Related Articles page will take any text, it's really designed to use Template:R, which has lots of options. Let me give you some basics. Incidentally, I am using, in edit mode, an escape sequence so I can show you the commands; start out looking at this in normal page mode.

I'm in the middle of rebuilding my OS, so I may not have my regular email working for a bit -- trying to figure out how to get Outlook to import the settings from the old boot drive, now mounted non-boot.

Assume you are on the page Management domain/Related articles

Now, enter:


{{r|Administrative management domain (email)}}

{{r|Private management domain (email)}}

When you save, you'll have a red link for both topics, and a gray area for the definition.

Clicking on the red link will create an article page. Just to start, put in some brief words and save.

Now, search for ADMD, and it will ask if you want to create it. Answer yes, and type in #REDIRECT [[Administrative management domain]] and save.

You should have a blue link to Administrative management domain.

On the Management Domain related articles page, click in the gray area on Administrative managemet domain, and you'll get prompted to enter a definition. Write a sentence or so and save. Page back to the related articles page, refresh, and you should see a blue link to the article, and a filled-in definition.

Howard C. Berkowitz 18:08, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


Howard pointed you out as someone with overlapping interests, and he's right. I've mostly been working on cryptography-related articles, which of course tie in to email, authentication, and such. There need to be quite few links. Certainly PGP needs mention in email articles. Probably ssmail as well. I've done something on FreeSWAN, but not opportunistic encryption yet.

Are you aware of the Global Trust Register? Their introduction is online. Sandy Harris 11:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


Be it ever so humble an edit, I'm glad somebody is reviewing DNS! Howard C. Berkowitz 00:30, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


David, I noticed that you are editing a copy of Anycasting in your sandbox. Why don't you edit the page itself. If you do so, your changes can probably be included with the approved version. I also can postpone the date of approval for you to finish and then discuss the changes. Peter Schmitt 23:48, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

According to your message on the talk page of Anycasting, you have copied your sandbox draft to that page. But it is not there. Did you change your mind? Peter Schmitt 18:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I edited the draft page yesterday. Preview looked OK. Clicked Save Page. It looked OK in that session, but a separate login showed the old page. This has happened before, and waiting usually solves the problem. I guess it didn't this time. I tried again just now. Now things seem to be OK. No delay in accepting updates from Save Page. --David MacQuigg 18:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Email History

Hi David, yes I did previously read your delightful comments earlier. Thanks for that. I'm currently writing another article at the moment. I'm probably not as knowledgable as you, since my background is not really computers. Most of what I know was when I started using the internet in the early 1990s and had a boyfriend who was a computer engineer. He had these wonderful books and magazines on the subject where I picked up some of the history from. Meg Ireland 09:27, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I wondered how a music major had such knowledge of this topic. Should we list the sources of your article? I'm new to CZ, so I'm not yet comfortable with using these talk pages for extensive discussions. If you send me your email address I will communicate directly. --David MacQuigg 09:42, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I am reluctant to give out my email address. The following references were used:
  • Hardy, Ian R; The Evolution of ARPANET Email; 1996-05-13; History Thesis; University of California at Berkeley
  • Higgs, Edward (ed.) (1998) History and Electronic Artefacts. Oxford, England: Clarendon Press. ISBN 0198236336
  • Naughton, John (1999) A Brief History of the Future: The Origins of the Internet. Universities Press. ISBN 8173712816

Meg Ireland 10:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks. I'll add some of these to the links and/or bibliography pages. By the way, I'm having trouble getting my links to show as normal blue links instead of black. I assume that means there is something missing like a definition. I've corrected everything I can see, but the links are still black. See the section "Security protocols" in for examples. The link to Sender Policy Framework and three others are still black. --David MacQuigg 10:23, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't see any black. You fixed it, I gather? Howard C. Berkowitz 19:41, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Security subgroup

Have a look at the subgroup page. Consider adding articles and adding yourself as a member. Sandy Harris 05:52, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Sandy, but I don't feel qualified yet in the broad field of computer security. My work is in email system security. My sandbox articles on cryptosystems are just for a class in cryptography. If I find time to develop them further, I'll move them from my sandbox to the regular articles. Your comments on my sandbox pages are welcome. --David MacQuigg 17:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Cloud computing and outsourced messaging

I've been doing an article on cloud computing. Some vendors call their outsource messaging, especially archiving that includes IM and other things beyond email, a cloud service, although they tend to be inconsistent at the architectural level. My assumption is that if it has a direct end user interface, either to a desktop or mobile device (e.g., Sidekick) it's Software as a Service, but if it's at the level of the mail server, it's Platform as a Service.

Increasingly, though, I've been moving the messaging-specific material out of the article, thinking it deserves its own. Do I remember you were considering such? In any event, your review of Cloud Computing would be appreciated, especially after I took a hard look yesterday and concluded I had absolutely no idea what I was trying to say in one section. Right now, my focus is both on the security aspects, and also trying to cut through the marketdroids and pinning down virtual server, cloud service, and virtual data center. I am going to invite some technical vendor (and research) folk to review and preferably contribute.

Variants of Eduzendium

I've been thinking of going to some mailing lists in routing certification, and offering the equivalent of Eduzendium for modern networking. No, I won't be vendor specific although I might use some multivendor examples. Would there be any interest on your campus? Could this be a good operational test of a curriculum?

I would expect participants to be writing, but with guidance, and, preferably, in teams. Some email and Forum discussions among people who have run Eduzendium suggests that unless it's a team project, or possibly at a senior undergraduate/graduate level, the average student writes offline, dumps, and never wiki-collaborates. Howard C. Berkowitz 19:40, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Returning to Citizendium: an update on the project and how to get involved

Hello - some time ago you became part of the Citizendium project, but we haven't seen you around for a while. Perhaps you'd like to update your public biography or check on the progress of any pages you've edited so far.

Citizendium now has over 16,000 articles, with more than 150 approved by specialist Editors such as yourself, but our contributor numbers require a boost. We have an initiative called 'Eduzendium' that brings in students enrolled on university courses to write articles for credit, but we still need more Editors across the community to write, discuss and approve material. There are some developed Computers articles that could be improved and approved, and some high-priority Applied Sciences articles that we don't have yet. You can also create new articles via this guide, and contribute to some Computers pages that have been recently edited - or to any others on Citizendium, since you're a general Author as well as a specialist Editor. You may like to contribute to discussions in the forums, and might consider running for an elected position on the Management and Editorial Councils that oversee the project.

If you have any questions, let me know via my Talk page or by leaving a message below this one. Thank you for signing up and reading this update; I hope that you will look in on our community soon. John Stephenson 13:40, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi John. I've been involved in other projects for the last two years, but this semester, I am back to teaching. Citizendium is a great resource, and I hope to have time to get involved again. --David MacQuigg 20:32, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Tied up now with business management for my wife's new veterinary clinic, but I hope to get back to academics soon. and Citizendium will be my top projects. --David MacQuigg 00:33, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for the Editorial Council

You have been nominated for an Editor seat on the Editorial Council in the July-August Special Election. The nominator was myself. To accept or decline this nomination, please visit the Nominations page by midnight UTC on July 27th. You may write an election statement for each if you wish (linked from the Nominations page).

The Editorial Council seat expires on December 31st, 2014. In the event that Referendum 1 is passed, all seats will expire on June 30th, 2014. Thanks! John Stephenson 17:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi John. I feel honored by your nomination, and I will accept. I'll do what I can to help CZ, and I won't be offended if you find someone with more time or expertise to fill this position. --David MacQuigg 23:10, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much! John Stephenson 11:44, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

You've been nominated as a candidate in the June 2014 election

You've been nominated as a candidate in the June 2014 election. Please visit this page to accept or decline the position. No action will also be treated as declining. If you accept, you may choose to write a statement - see the election page for further details. Alternatively, contact me via my Talk page or privately via e-mail. Regards, John Stephenson 14:52, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Planning/advisory panel

Hi David, We're putting together a non-public Google group where some of us can brainstorm about how this wiki might develop in the future. I was hoping you'd be willing to join the group and advise. If you are, please email manager A T so that we can add or invite you to the group (CZ-Advisory Panel).Pat Palmer (talk) 00:33, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Write-a-thon this weekend

Our Write-a-Thon theme this weekend is 'Messaging and Missives'. Please join us! John Stephenson (talk) 22:44, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

need to move this comment to main article Talk page

David, I think you need to copy this comment to the main article Talk page, and then let me delete this page: Talk:Nuclear_power_reconsidered/Bibliography. This page will never show up, since the Bibliography page is now part of the subpages grouping. Just let me know when and I can then delete this free floating Talk page that is not part of the subpages. Pat Palmer (talk) 15:43, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Reminder to update a footnote

The first footnote on Molten_chloride_salt_fast_reactor is just a placeholder and need to have actual information inserted in it. This is just a reminder in case you forgot it. I think you are trying to whip this article, and its associates, into shape for outside review--hence this reminder. Pat Palmer (talk) 16:36, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Reactor article

Hi - I've added a Metadata page for this article that points the page back to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, there are still some bugs around when you try to create pages like this. John Stephenson (talk) 11:01, 6 April 2022 (CDT)

Thanks, John! I had forgotten status = 4 (for Wikipedia imports). Pat Palmer (talk) 16:56, 6 April 2022 (CDT)
Hi - also, if you convert it to another status but significant Wikipedia material remains, you can place the {{WPAttribution}} template at the top of the page (below {{subpages}}). This creates a link to WP and places the article in this category. John Stephenson (talk) 13:44, 7 April 2022 (CDT)
Thanks John. I have placed the WPAttribution template on Molten salt reactor and Fast neutron reactor.

Who is Wendy O'Connor?

I saw you uploaded an image of an opinion of a Wendy O'Connor from Murcillo. I googled her, to see if I could figure out who she was. I found very little, and put that in a Wendy O'Connor article. It is protected from search engines by a __NOWIKI__ directive.

You linked to a facebook page, as the source. I named the source as the Chronicle Journal. If we are going to cite this, I'd like to link directly that page from the publication.

Were you planning to have an article about her? Do you know of anything else she has done that merits coverage?

Am I correct that this is a letter to the editor, not an op-ed?

Cheers! George Swan (talk) 18:46, 4 September 2022 (CDT)

Hi George. I am delighted to have your help on this project. I had never heard of Wendy O'Connor either. I saw this article shared on a FaceBook forum The Rational View, and traced it back to it's source on the FB forum NoNuclearWasteInNWO, apparently Ms.O'Connor's page (but no admin is listed). I could not find the original in a search of The Chronical Journal, so I just used her FB page as the source. I have selected the license "Fair Use", as I have found it nearly impossible to get broader permission from sources like a Canadian newspaper. Thank you for doing some research and creating a page for her. I have added a link to that page in the Figure caption.
Ms. O'Connor's article is the strongest anti-nuclear argument I have found relating to waste management. I will now solicit a response from the pro-nuclear community. This should be an excellent summary of the argument from each side. David MacQuigg (talk) 21:02, 4 September 2022 (CDT)

A suggestion

David, Would it be feasible to attach (approximate) dates to the replies to questions at Talk:Nuclear_waste_management? I think going forwards that would be helpful. Pat Palmer (talk) 10:48, 5 September 2022 (CDT)

Yes, I will do that. David MacQuigg (talk) 14:21, 5 September 2022 (CDT)

Test email notifcations

Testing to see if notifications from this page are working. David MacQuigg (talk) 10:31, 19 September 2022 (CDT) Testing again. David MacQuigg (talk) 13:36, 20 September 2022 (CDT)

Hi David! Just testing to see if your watchlist notification makes it through to you. Pat Palmer (talk) 09:44, 21 September 2022 (CDT)

Debate Guide subpages

David, It turns out that Debate Guide is a pre-engineered tab type that we can use for Nuclear Power Reconsidered, Fear of Radiation and other similar articles. I would have to do the moves of the existing wiki Talk: pages for you, and that way, we can also keep the page history. Just figure out which articles you want this tab on, and I will create them for you. See ThorCon nuclear reactor as an example of how it will look at work; on that article, the Talk: page has resumed its historic role as a place for wiki contributors to discuss editorial issues about the article itself, and the Debate Guide tab now contains your series of comments gleaned from around the web. Will this work? If so, please let me know which articles you want them created on. For new articles, you can make them yourself (it's just a subpage with the subpages template), but for existing articles now using the Talk: pages, let me move them to a tab and keep the history.Pat Palmer (talk) 13:52, 2 January 2023 (CST)

please forgive my chaotic writing process

Over on Nuclear power reconsidered and its related, I've been trying a lot of different things very fast, and you're probably getting a watch page email every time I tweak something. It's the way I write and the best thing is to wait a little bit and then look at the result and decide whether you can live with it or not. Ultimately, anything I do can be reverted; I'm openly experimenting, because that's how I write, unlike those people who can lay down an outline from the beginning and follow it. Hope it doesn't drive you crazy. Tell me if I need to stop.Pat Palmer (talk) 10:56, 3 January 2023 (CST)

how to add a Debate Guide tab to any article

All you have to do is create the subpage. So for example, to create one for Nuclear power reconsidered, you would add /Debate Guide to the URL to create Nuclear power reconsidered/Debate Guide. It should show up immediately in the tabs. If you want an existing Discussion page copied to a Debate Guide along with any history, ask me to take care of that. In some cases, we might need to sift out my editorial comments from actual debate questions.Pat Palmer (talk) 11:11, 3 January 2023 (CST)

alternate way of formatting on the Thorcon Debate Guide

How would it be to format the Thorcon Debate Guide to look more like this reformatted version (in my sandbox)?Pat Palmer (talk) 13:35, 3 January 2023 (CST)

I like that formatting paragraphs as a "poem" !! I'll try it on the ThorCon article debate page. David MacQuigg (talk) 18:09, 3 January 2023 (CST)

What are fast neutrons as opposed to thermal neutrons?

This non-physicist asks for a brief (if possible) explanation: Fast_neutron_reactor/Definition refers to fast neutrons and thermal neutrons and fissile material. Can you please try to provide brief definitions for these terms? Pat Palmer (talk) 09:15, 25 January 2023 (CST)````

Fast neutrons are the high-energy (> 1 MeV) neutrons that emerge from a splitting nucleus. After losing most of their energy in collisions with other nuclei, their energy is closer to thermal equilibrium with those nuclei (less than an eV). Thermal neutrons are much more effective in causing uranium and plutonium to fission. Fast neutrons zing past with little interaction, but when the do score a direct hit, they can shatter any of the large nuclides (larger than uranium) that are such a problem in long-lived nuclear waste. David MacQuigg (talk) 20:49, 30 January 2023 (CST)

Nuclear proliferation, or Nuclear weapons proliferation?

The title of the article doesn't match the bolded topic. Shall I rename the article? I can automatically fix all the links to it at the same time. The new title would be Nuclear weapons proliferation. Also, I think this could be the feature article for a while if you think it's about ready. Please let me know. Pat Palmer (talk) 08:08, 26 April 2023 (CDT)

Changing the title is OK with me - longer but a little more clear as to the topic. I will check with Roger to see if he is happy with the content, then we can feature it. David MacQuigg (talk) 10:59, 26 April 2023 (CDT)

radiation units in table

David, I tinkered with the redlinks to future articles in User:David_MacQuigg/Sandbox/Radiation_Units, but the rightmost column (SI) needs work beyond my understanding. Pat Palmer (talk) 12:53, 14 May 2023 (CDT)

please do not delete material / questions / discussions from article Talk pages

David, where is the contents of the Talk page of Nuclear waste management? It is against wiki policy to delete the contents of a Talk page. You may ARCHIVE them (so they are still available via a link) but you are not supposed to delete them. Please do not do this in future. Even archiving is not usually done until a page gets very long. To wipe the Talk page clean leaves the article looking like no one has ever commented on it. I understand you want to control the discussion, and from the history, I can look back (as a wiki contributor) and see what was once there. Please be aware of this policy and use archiving of Talk pages in future if you want to wipe them clean for any reason. The only DELETIONS on Talk pages have traditionally been of misbehavior or abuse. Pat Palmer (talk) 05:52, 5 July 2023 (CDT)

Nothing was deleted. I moved three sections to the Debate Guide page, as we have done on other articles, and as I thought was the correct procedure for our new Debate Guide pages. Perhaps the note explaining this move at the top of the Discussion page is not clear. I suggest we restore the section titles in their original order with links to the copied text on the Debate page. I can also create an archive page. That might be more appropriate to preserve the original discussion, in case the summaries evolve on the Debate pages. My purpose was not to control the discussion, but simply to eliminate redundancy. David MacQuigg (talk) 07:24, 5 July 2023 (CDT)
Aw, heck, I missed that note. My bad. I apologize! Okay, as long is it's all still there. You might put <big></big> tags around the note for dummies like me! Pat Palmer (talk) 07:30, 5 July 2023 (CDT)
No problem. On further thought, I think preserving the section titles is the best solution. That will allow further detailed, but perhaps unproductive discussion on each topic and further modification of the Debate Guide page, copying any material we consider worthy of that page. I wish we could switch positions of the two pages so that our readers won't go to the Discussion page first, and lose interest due to low-quality of the ongoing debates. David MacQuigg (talk) 07:51, 5 July 2023 (CDT)
Well, the Discussion page is for more minor matters having to do with article mechanics, spelling, etc. And not so much with issues. I agree with moving issues to the Debate page. I think you explained this before and I just forgot.Pat Palmer (talk) 07:54, 5 July 2023 (CDT)
I would like to keep any initial discussion of issues also on the Discussion page, and reserve the Debate page for just the final best statement from each side, what we want journalists to read when they are looking for a quick summary. I have been using FaceBook for long, usually unproductive discussions, then if there is anything worthy of adding to the Debate page, I do that with a link back to the FB forum. Here is a link to my current discussion on the topic of Nuclear Waste Management I'm not seeing much in this FB discussion that we haven't already covered on the Debate page, but let me know if you see anything we should add. David MacQuigg (talk)